Funny isn’t it? Using Push ads and Icon Ads itself is shady according to Users 
Can you please stop this shit?
Are you copy pasting your customer reviews here?
You know what I said is true and it hurts because knowingly you chose to be a spammer.
Hello billyh,
Hope you’re well.
Please find here the definetion or at least what is considered SPAM by Google. https://developer.android.com/distribute/googleplay/policies/spam.html
You’ll find that neither Developers no Ad Networks are spamming anyone. Not according to Google at least and that is basically what matters.
I hope this helps.
Thanks
Hello SendDroid,
Hope all is well with you.
That is developer Description related Spam. You can Read Google Ad Policy (Or advisory based on how you want to call it) here:
https://developer.android.com/distribute/googleplay/policies/ads.html
Read this part in specific:
Display your ads within your UI—If possible, display ads only within your app’s UI. This leads to a better user experience and helps avoid policy violations.
Hope this helps.
Ugg, I agree with billyh, if you use notification/icon ads you are definitely a spammer, if you use alert ads/interstitials you are probably a spammer as well, who cares what Google says, if you send an ad either outside the app or interrupt gameplay to present an offer you are probably a spammer. You would say the same thing about anyone who operates a webpage, why not an app. Now, I include myself in this category right now, I use airpush and senddroid, don’t want to but without a quality app that has gone viral you need to as a justification of all the work you put into it. Airpush ads suck, senddroid’s are way better, they actually prompt people to download real apps, not find out out Obamacare or chat with Chrissy or Missy or whothefuckever. But in my experience senddroid ecpms don’t hold up to airpush, probably because their ads are legit. I am almost completely over making apps, the reward is there but you have to steal everyone’s ideas outright, infringe multiple trademarks and copy descriptions to get anyone to download your apps and who wants to do that anyways, kind of a shady way to operate any business. Notification ads pay less that admob ads so why do it anymore? Thoughts anyone?
Danixp,
There are legitimate businesses built on Android. Rather than get rick quick scheme’s that turn developers into spammers, people are taking time and building real companies purely on Android.
Just Today someone raised 10M$ for Purely Android Gaming Company (Sequoia Makes Another Bet In Gaming By Leading $9M Round For Android-Focused Kiwi | TechCrunch).
Hope developers take notice and build real companies rather than turning into spammers.
Edit: Typo’s and formatting.
Hello danixp
Thanks for your feedback.
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I get what you’re saying but I just think that ‘spammer’ is a term that is being used very broadly.
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Ads make money for developers and Ad Networks and create leads for Advertisers. They also serve helpful to users. I know that users don’t find them useful all the time but at least we’re moving in the direction of such a scenario with targeting technology which puts relevance first.
I know that ads can be annoying and that is why I think its good to have the option to purchase an Ad free version.
I think users should understand that Developers don’t just wake up with an app and then try to make lives difficult for everyone else. The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of developers relying on money via monetization. People work very hard right from the conception of an idea to execution and everything else that follows. And they should get paid for it. If a user is not going to pay $0.99 to get the Ad-free version, then they NEED to have the decency to put up with ads rather than resort to negative ratings and horrid feedback. That I think is childlike. But unfortunately, we do not have a way yet to educate all the users on the way things work and why ads should be okay.
Lastly, danixp, I think you should continue with development. The whole world is moving very fast towards Mobile Technology and if you’ve got the skills to make things, this is your time to get a lot out of it. For as long as this boom lasts, you should devote your time to making something exceptional. You could come up with something brand new. Something that CAN go viral. That is precisely what I’d do if I were you.
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks billyh,
I had read that before.
It is not entirely possible to place ads in Wallpapers. There are some apps that almost require an out of app ad experience.
My argument is as follows:
Out of App Ads are allowed by Google provided certain conditions are met. And, out of app ads are not considered ‘spam’ by Google. If they were, Google would have removed them without a second thought.
Don’t worry about @billyh
He is always flaming people on this forum about out-of-app ads and cannot be reasoned with.
This is very true. Also most sites have rules against spamming and changing the topic of a thread from what it was originally unless its useful and not for complete tolling reasons.
This usually starts with the admin or a higher up warning people like billyh. Then a temp ban and later a complete ban.
Its about time this happened.
Just an FYI spam-troll billyh.
Oh the Hatred of those who speak truth
I merely pointed out what people think. As anyone I have the right to express my opinion. Its a shame that people who spam users think they go offensive for pointing out what their users think.
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Just ignore the troll. Don’t feed it.
Oh truth Makes you uncomfortable doesn’t it?
Ok, we know that @billyh believes push ads are spam. And we also know that some people here have a different definition of spam.
I think this is a time where we should “agree to disagree”, acknowledge that people have different opinions here, and move on.
Most users will agree about that serving a ads out of app is pure spam, it is reality and I think that developers can not change it. Airpush (they was the first one and over some period of time the only one) make things even worse with porn ads. There is also other side of medal because we can not ignore developers that making live wallpapers, utility apps etc. these apps just can not make money with in-app ads so out-app ads are need for this apps.
On long run icon/push ads are dead but I think that there is some genius solution on-top widgets! Lets clear something I am not representative of this firm just stuck on them by accident. In my opinion this ad model is a future when we are talking about out-of-app ads.
Demo app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobario
Website: www.mobario.com
As a user:
I too don’t like push ads and icon ads and all that stuff - however I have started becoming comfortable with testing apps that have push ads (knowing that with new Google policies these push ads CANNOT survive the uninstall of the offending app - so test it for a bit then uninstall). Perhaps for some apps I may even entertain the idea of keeping the app around (if the push ads are few). However since may concession to push ads is new, I have not experienced the impact of 20 apps on my phone using push ads - with them all using Airpush one could imagine Airpush doing throttling (so total ads about the same - this means that there is COMPETITION between apps using out-of-app advertising). This means with new push ad networks like Sendroid and others - there is the potential to have apps appearing that multplies the push ads (both Airpush and Sendroid pushing ads - even though they are throttling ads within their ecosystem). This situation naturally will see a proliferation of new push ad networks - since these promise the developer “no throttling” when there are few apps using that new SDK - as those apps increase the throttling has direct impact on push revenue per app (most effect on old push ad networks like Airpush I would guess). Of course here I am completely ignoring the impact of old ad networks having better advertiser contacts etc. and so able to serve better ads - vs. a new ad network (though at the back end maybe they all use the same agents/affiliate marketers or whatever … !?).
So basically I see the push ad network companies increasing slowly over he next few months - as each reaches saturation (many apps) the revenue per app will drop again - the end-result for users will be multiplied push ads (while each Airpush alone will limit total Airpush push ads maybe - but when you have Airpush, Sendroid, XYZ being used in your installed apps there will be MORE push ads in total than just from Airpush alone).
Some variants like TapContext will rise - and eventually all ad networks will start to use their techniques of targeting users with ads that are similar to those they already have installed on their phones (perhaps they already do so - but my impression is that MOST AppWalls etc. show generic ads - perhaps the advertisers are few and those few who do appear want to reach as many as possible - and if rates are low enough they may say why not). But is probable that most ad networks will include some targeting.
So in conclusion as a user I am wary of push ads/icon ads - though that wariness has diminished over time.
As a developer:
As a developer I can see how folks who have adopted the “app development way” have to make ends meet - it can be a struggle - also for some types of ads (as the Sendroid rep said) there are few alternatives for charging for your wallpaper app (although there is now a way to use GetJar to package the app so it is unlocked and then used - and that might be a reasonable way to get revenue for wallpaper apps).
I too have considered push ads and icon ads - perhaps for some new app - or if I make a wallpaper type app, I may experiment with it - but I have a negative forecast for push ads (because of the competition between apps for out-of-app eyeballs) and icon ads (intrusive - and I don’t know what the impact will be if 20 apps are putting icons all over your home screen) - so I see there maybe some backlash eventually - so don’t seem like long term sustainable models for the industry - in-app is the canonical way and clear to the user as well.
“out-of-app” advertising “works” partly because of a clever subterfuge - it essentially doles out the “bad impression” OUT of the app and onto other apps and the general user experience - thereby saving THAT app from blame (or association in the user’s mind - though this curtailed greatly with Google imposition of offending app attribution in the push ad itself). So there is a sense of hogging other people’s time. However, if apps are few - push ads may not be bad - the problem is that with devices having 100 apps installed (and with mostly free apps you WILL have that) - the situation rapidly becomes one of competition between push-supporting apps. If there is ANY relief from the extreme case it is ONLY because the bulk of the apps are NOT using push ads. So in a way it is a “zero-sum” game i.e. push industry ONLY works or is pleasant if there are few players (or most app makers avoid) - those few who DO use it benefit greatly - if push becomes prevalent it is non-performing (per app revenue falls greatly due to “out-of-app” competition).
So push notifications face this essential dilemma - they “work” if they are NOT successful - and they don’t work if they ARE successful - which suggests that in the long run they will remain a “middling” solution - where the bulk of app developers choose to avoid them (i.e. they have some notoriety still) while those willing to buck that trend will make money off it.
It is possible that EVENTUALLY - Google may institute a policy that push notifications will ONLY be allowed for apps which have no other way to show ads (i.e. their work requires that ad not be shown) - for example they are a UI-related app which CANNOT be showing ads there - like wallpaper apps). It is also possible that Google could impose restriction that (as an example) wallpaper apps - ONLY the wallpaper which is currently selected should have the prerogative to show push ads (and NOT the multitude of other wallpaper apps that are installed but NOT being used) - or some thing like that.
If this restriction happens it will SUFFICIENTLY cramp the push notification space, so that it becomes BOTH viable for the app developers AND unpleasant for regular app developers to employ. And it may become a middle ground valuable solution for exactly those apps like wallpapers etc. that really DO need it.
Now on the commentary of GOOD/BAD of push ads by Mr. billyh:
That type of commentary is perhaps best left to user forums - developer forums are meant to allow developers to communicate ideas - and not to have them grappling at each other’s throats.
Fortunately (for Mr. billyh) there are natural forces at work (as outlined above for push ads) which will force push ads in a certain direction. Also those NOT using push ads are NOT usually hurt by other developers using push ads - it may even help them if the public finds push-ad based apps appalling. There are two “dangers” here for those not using push ads - they are losing revenue while others are making tons of cash (actually I suspect this is no longer true - as the push ad window of opportunity is closing if apps are going to continue to use push ads) - if you make a non-push ad app you have an advantage you can present in your Description. Now if the public doesn’t CARE - that then counters the whole Mr. billyh argument - though it could be that the ignorant masses are the ones “accepting” push ads to the great consternation of the understanding public - as a result the market is not punishing push ad supporting apps as much as Mr. billyh would want them to. This is possible also - after all there ARE apps which seem to be accepted by majority of users. But again, this opportunity maybe closed if push ads etc. ever get press - or if antivirus apps start being more aggressive (I wonder if push ad companies are going to start PAYING antivirus app makers to “go slow” on their prosecution of push-ads as viruses ?).
Anyway, basically the climate is such that there are forces at work here - I can understand if billyh feels that he needs to advocate ONE position because it is a fight between right and wrong and wrong will win if the right does not push hard right now (i.e. a tipping point etc.) - but if billyh feels that is not so and push ads will be relegated to a smaller role eventually - then why does he feel the “cause” needs such strong advocacy ?
So the question to Mr. billyh is - why do you feel so aggressive towards push ads - do you feel that if you don’t make a strong case against it it “will win” (i.e. whole ecosystem could be destroyed) i.e. you see no “natural forces” (i.e. user sense and dynamics of how revenue is shareable between apps for “out-of-app” experience) at work here that will do the job eventually ?
Thanks for your consideration.
The thing is David, myself and most other users on this forum fully respect @billyh 's opinion. I believe everyone has a right to their own opinion.
What I don’t believe, and I’m sure many others will agree is the right for someone to repeatedly voice their opinion inappropriately. If @billyh was voicing his opinion in an Android user forum or a “discuss push ads” thread on this forum then there would be no problem.
The problem is that he is making insulting and provocative comments in threads that were created to discuss the developer side of push/icon ad networks, such as technical issues, data reporting or performance etc. He is throwing these threads off topic time and time again and is totally bent on coming out on top. Many users have tried to debate civilly with him including myself and he proceeds in an aggressive manner:
Oh really :). I am having more fun seeing how dumb spammers can be.
A spammer can only build a business that makes peanuts :). Its funny that spammers think they are only ones who make money on an open platform. You guys are pathetic.
Anyone who uses push notifications is a low quality developer. You know who you are. I know it hurts but thats the reality.
Thats a justification typically given by spammers, Murderers, Bank Robbers and the like.
Guys if you are using Push Ads/Icons Ads, you are spammer. You have no ethics or no sympathy for your…
I would be happy for him to remain on the forum if he would just stop this crap.
If you notice slowly this forums is becoming dark side of Android development. People are actively encouraging other developers to get into push ads (for the sake of peanuts these companies are offering as referral revenue), providing tips on how to work around account being banned (They are banned for illegal activity), create mass accounts.
Developers here are taking it for granted that Push ads and Icons ads are the only way to make money.
I just remind them how they turned into spammers for peanuts without any long term business model and hope at least some of them clean up their act. I know my comments hurt them because they know slowly they are becoming the scum of Android Ecosystem (Not just my opinion. This is the popular opinion of Android Users and all of us know that).