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    Tired of antivirus - it's absurd

    My app is dropping down like crazy because of some stupid and dishonest antivirus that detects something (maybe StartApp) inside it.
    It's crazy. Why do these stupid antivirus producers penalise us?
    The app is not great, but it does not deserve a rating of 2,77 like it is now. It is absolutely unfair and dishonest by antivirus producers.
    I decided to put this warning on my description, I hope it will function. What I am sure of, it will drop even more the downloads due to the less weight that come to have some important keywords.
    It's a risk I want to face. This is crazy.
    Do the same if you think so.

    ** Dear users, there is no virus in this app, and no malicious code of any kind. There is only a very common and guaranteed library that provides advertising, thanks to that library this app IS FREE. Unfortunately, some unfair antivirus producers don't understand (or don't want to understand) that ads are the only way for independent developers to distribute a free app and get few dollars to buy a pizza. This app has many low ratings because of false virus detections. Ask yourself: is this really the service you want from an antivirus? This trend penalises independent developers, in favour of great industries that can afford in-app purchases. **
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    Its not Crazy

    Quote Originally Posted by Beppi View Post
    It's crazy. Why do these stupid antivirus producers penalise us?
    Its not crazy. Icon ads and push ads are virus from many users perspective (They work purely based on the fact that no one reads a long EULA and understands what it says). As a user who paid monthly charges due to deceptive push ads for several months, I can say this from my perspective.

    Its a shame Icon ads and Push are still allowed in Android Ecosystem.

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    I may agree about push ads, but I only have icon ads and they:
    1. use bandwidth only when requested by the user
    2. can be deleted
    3. can be not accepted
    4. anyway, they simply ARE NOT VIRUS.

    An icon ad is much less disturbing than banners, then, and they use less bandwidth (or even none).
    Why are not banners compared to virus? Would any antivirus producer go against AdMob?

    No. So they must demonstrate to their users that they are worth something, and being there almost NO VIRUSES on the Android system, they just detect what they can detect. The more they detect, the more they look "useful" to the user.

    StartApp and all other ad systems should make something all together to avoid this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beppi View Post
    My app is dropping down like crazy because of some stupid and dishonest antivirus that detects something (maybe StartApp) inside it.
    It's crazy. Why do these stupid antivirus producers penalise us?
    The app is not great, but it does not deserve a rating of 2,77 like it is now. It is absolutely unfair and dishonest by antivirus producers.
    I decided to put this warning on my description, I hope it will function. What I am sure of, it will drop even more the downloads due to the less weight that come to have some important keywords.
    It's a risk I want to face. This is crazy.
    Do the same if you think so.

    ** Dear users, there is no virus in this app, and no malicious code of any kind. There is only a very common and guaranteed library that provides advertising, thanks to that library this app IS FREE. Unfortunately, some unfair antivirus producers don't understand (or don't want to understand) that ads are the only way for independent developers to distribute a free app and get few dollars to buy a pizza. This app has many low ratings because of false virus detections. Ask yourself: is this really the service you want from an antivirus? This trend penalises independent developers, in favour of great industries that can afford in-app purchases. **
    That's a very good statement. I think I will adapt it for my apps!

    I find the best way to combat the stupid anti-virus comments is to ask your users for ratings once they've used your app for a while. Most of them will like your app if they've come back to it and you can offset your 1 stars with 4 and 5 stars.

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    You could also put in some sort of a Dialog Box on first launch which states that 'Thank YOU for downloading my app. I wanted to drop a personal note to let you know that this App neither has any virus nor any malicious content. And this app is also free to use and in order to do, I have included Ads. If you see any Virus warning from my App, please ignore it. I need to put in ads so I can have money to buy a pizza whilst giving you the exciting experience of my hard work. I hope you like my App and rate it based on the quality of the app instead of false warnings.'

    Just my opinion.

    EDIT: This won't fit in a dialog box so you'll have to make EULA type disclaimer. And you could use this opportunity to let users know about the Ad Types that you use. 2 birds with one stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyh View Post
    Its not crazy. Icon ads and push ads are virus from many users perspective (They work purely based on the fact that no one reads a long EULA and understands what it says). As a user who paid monthly charges due to deceptive push ads for several months, I can say this from my perspective.

    Its a shame Icon ads and Push are still allowed in Android Ecosystem.
    Thats THEIR fault for not reading the EULA.

    Thats like saying you buy a crappy house then complain about it because you didn't read the paper work before hand saying you were being sold a crappy house.

    It's ALL on you, Icon Ads are annoying yeah but push ads...Eh big deal people are going to get ads either way.

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    This is the only reason, I removed push ads and icon ads from my apps. coz when you have some layman using your app, they don't understand EULA and stuff. What they were complaining was that they don't want those ads and leaving bad rating and comments which obviously reduced the overall visibility of app in market. Bad rating and comment has two bad affects:
    1) Reduces the search ranking of your app
    2) Some users on scrolling down the search results may read earlier user comments and decide not to install it.

    For me, its better to loose some quick dollars from push/icon ads and stick to banner ads and get more installs and good retention rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SendDroid View Post
    You could also put in some sort of a Dialog Box on first launch which states that 'Thank YOU for downloading my app. I wanted to drop a personal note to let you know that this App neither has any virus nor any malicious content. And this app is also free to use and in order to do, I have included Ads. If you see any Virus warning from my App, please ignore it. I need to put in ads so I can have money to buy a pizza whilst giving you the exciting experience of my hard work. I hope you like my App and rate it based on the quality of the app instead of false warnings.'

    Just my opinion.

    EDIT: This won't fit in a dialog box so you'll have to make EULA type disclaimer. And you could use this opportunity to let users know about the Ad Types that you use. 2 birds with one stone.
    I do basically this in my splash screen, the EULA, twice in the description of the app and i also give them links to the leadbolt opt out app and site opt out. I also explain that the leadbolt advertising system can set off antiviruses. But it doesn't matter people simply do not read anything but love to leave horrible reviews and send emails complaining. Then when i explain it to them in a nice way they feel dumb for not reading it and then complain even more.

    I still get the "its a virus" reviews of apps that have leadbolt ads.

    They argue that the app should never have ads and if it didn't i would get more downloads. Then say that because of the advertising in the free one they wont buy the 99 cent one. Its seriously hard not to laugh responding to that.

    bottom line - if you use advertising users will complain its not free and advertising free.

    Funny enough they don't send hate mail to the tv networks for showing literally more commercials than the amount of time the tv show is on. Would be funny as hell if we did this for our apps. Hell i might just make a video about that and put it on youtube. LOL
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    Well, you will not get complaints about banner ads - that is one thing.

    Showing some interstitials at end of app or during app - will also not get much complaints.

    Showing too many interstitials will get complaints.


    I have never used push ads and startapp and icon ads etc. - I can somewhat understand the icon ads etc. and startapp - however push ads seem to take away power from the thinking users.

    The non-thinking users may not mind push ads - but more likely don't even know what they are, what's going on ..


    But it is a fact that most developers here - if you consider them a thinking group :-) - will NOT want push ads - as many have attested here.

    Myself I am wary of any app that has push ads (I never used to instal these - now I sometimes install them to test but nearly always uninstall them as soon as I can).

    I am wary of StartApp and Icon ads - for the housekeeping work required to clean them up - though I suppose Icon ads are probably the cleanest. Regarding bookmarks and search engine replacement as can happen with StartApp - I would not like that as that suggests changes happening in the background which I may not be able to set back to what it was earlier ..

    However the StartApp and other EULAs are quite reasonable-sounding - and I suspect a large number of users just allow it because they don't know what's going on, or they think what the hell I don't use the browser so let them put in bookmarks etc.


    Just from this type of anecdotal evidence you should be clear that anything beyond banner ads and some interstitial ads starts to be seen as intrusive.

    So you will get a certain number of folks who are absolutely against them.


    The dilemma is that for developers - it seems they are able to get better revenue if they use StartApp type stuff and Airpush type stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adforandroidapps View Post
    Well, you will not get complaints about banner ads - that is one thing.

    Showing some interstitials at end of app or during app - will also not get much complaints.
    Oh yes even the simplest admob banner gets complaints. I actually got one that said i put the admob ad on the bottom of the app so it was closer to their phones physical buttons. When in reality i put it on the bottom to avoid the apps own settings button. LOL

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