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    Quote Originally Posted by oswaldmandus View Post
    You should probably read a bit more closely:



    So it seems you are about $40k short. Note that my app while complex is hardly huge, code base is about 250k LOC. Moreover this is not unique experience I have quite extensive contact list of mobile developers and 10+ months + several ten of thousands for expenses for successful app or game is common.
    Sure you can hope for smash hit a'la Flappy Bird but honestly its luck (fortunate coincidence if you prefer) than anything else. I'm not dismissing Flappy Bird qualities, quite contrary, those were vital for it being so successful, what I'm saying that stellar success of that game was and effect of several factors that you can account for, you can hope for it but you cannot plan on it (on the other side you have Supercell which spend several millions of dollars over two year of development and one quite spectacular failure to get to Clash of Clans).
    We should finish this discussion. I'm living from android apps for 2011, not even tried regular job. Shithole for me means that i'm not earning 15-20k$/month but 3-4k$. I will do my job, you can do yours. Thats all

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramzixp View Post
    We should finish this discussion. I'm living from android apps for 2011, not even tried regular job. Shithole for me means that i'm not earning 15-20k$/month but 3-4k$. I will do my job, you can do yours. Thats all
    That's quite interesting given that by your own admission you've earned something north of $300k which gives $5k/mo (and this revenue includes the 'golden era' time period when earnings where fueled by PPD advertising schemes).

    I piggybacked on this thread just to put some perspective as a lot of users (including but not exclusive you) seems totally clueless. Hence recent posts like 'Android advertising is dead', 'Low income', 'Dropping eCPM' and alike. But hey if you (or anyone else for that matter) think can reproduce this great 'money for nothing' gold mine, go for it. I just simply pointed out why it isn't and will not be working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramzixp View Post
    true words, cheers! i made a similar mistake earned $300k-$400k, party, vodka, girls and now i'm in shithole
    This makes me happy knowing that you only ended up with $300k and likely squandered away a significant portion of that money. You're a terrible, terrible human being with a history of scamming, lying, and deception. You're the kind of person who would (if you haven't already) screw over friends and family for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oswaldmandus View Post
    Sorry but no, you can't. don't take it personally but your programming skills are non-existent and without them you can't do shit nowadays.

    Most of you people are missing big picture - Google taken a stand and doubled down on market spam (or in generally new apps quality), in part directly (by introducing approval and review process, agressive IP violation detection and banning out-of-app advertising formats) but mainly indirectly by tweaking customers end-user experience with Google Play (which affect app discoverability).

    Overwhelming majority of developers frequenting this forum made shitload (relatively) of money during (as you put it) 'golden era' by pumping market with tons of crap and relying on predatory advertising to make money. What's funny that most of you don't understand what the f*ck happened and what's happening now.
    What've happened was a pure luck (or fortunate coincidence), anyone could make decent money by producing endless stream of crap (or even rely on updates in early days). Why? Because Google's been promoting new applications and since earnings where only dependant on downloads number, quality of application didn't matter at all (even retention wasn't important). This of course quickly spiralled out of control turning market into shithole (making lives of honest developer much tougher in process). So Google taken stand and banned out-of-app advertising. Even after that there were some easy money to be made with shifty techniques (non-closable interstitials, exit adds, some shady formats like lockscreen ads and alike), also there were existing user base which can be exploited in cross-promotion schemes to milk them off even further (admittedly it was harder than before to make money since application had to have minimal retention and usage, but hey, you always could put Justing Biber icon to do so).
    But Google turned screw even further, banning more and more unethical advertising, aggressively weeding out IP violations and changing a market so new apps are barely promoted (sure there is new top apps sections but is buried below layers of other stuff in Google Play). In the same time existing user base was eroding and finally you were left with nothing.

    Where we are today? Well new apps are undiscoverable - that is you upload a new app and you get 0 downloads, even relaying on shady activites (mp3 downloading, torrenting etc.) you can only do so much (your mp3 downloader had < 50k in two or three months which gives measly 500 downloads a day) and earnings are directly affected by usage and retention (with such saturated market eCPM will, and is, necessarily dropping, not to mention using some other monetization schemes like IAP where app quality is the key) so even if you manage to get decent downloads you will still end with next to nothing.
    So to earn today you have to have decent quality apps (that alone usually require some investments or you end with apps that are unbearably ugly and unstable). Then you have to market it, and this is one of the points that most of users here don't understand that as an indie developer you can only do so much (and there's no silver bullet). Probably no one here have budget big enough to even start seriously thinking about advertising, putting couple hundreds or even thousands won't do a shit, you simply cannot out-bid big players. So what's left?
    Cross promotion obliviously, but what if you don't have user base? Then you have to have good app, not decent - good, either addictive game, well polished functional utility or something unique so you can use the specialist (android focused) blogs (either sponsored, free or mixed) and social networks push (arguably with latter you have to have really high quality niche app or addictive game). Quality of application is really important since retention and usage is also factored as positioning signal so with better app your search (or keyword if you prefer) placement and cross-sell list position (which can be even better download sources than keywords) raises which in effect drives organic downloads.

    Now, I do not intend to brag here but just to put some perspective to above lengthy comment here's a bit about my background.
    I've started developing for android since inception (I've had original G1), at first it was more a hobby than a job but my moonlighting paid off and in 2009 I had few really good earning games (they were polished but unoriginal; one of them ending being suspended due to DMCA complaint couple years later). Since market was basically empty I earn a lot and left my day job to focus on development. In about three years I've earn in total around $300k but at the end of 2012 with my best earning game gone and rest of them dwindling (in part due to influx of spam in market) I bite a bullet, sell them for $20k and start developing complex highly polished niche utility app. I've spend 16 months developing it plus north of $30k on design, graphics, translations and outsourcing (those not including me living for 16 month with no income whatsoever) and marketing, but it paid off: this application (monetized exclusively via IAP) earned $350k in total till today (it's still pulling $200/day) and I'm currently working on new version (with brand new interface and features) which I'm rather optimistic about.
    Neither of above sums are stellar but they are still more (even including 16 months hiatus) that I could have earn having normal job and what's more important it means that I've been living exclusively off application income for more than 7 years already so I'm rather well versed in inner workings of android development and marketing.
    This analysis is largely accurate. All of the lucrative niches are already dominated by a small number of developers with huge user bases.

    There are some kinds of apps which can make new developers some money such as game guides for new games (eg. Pokemon Go), but these apps have very low retention rates and as a result, you won't be making life changing money. Probably barely enough to live in.

    Also it should be noted that downloads for many categories, such as utility apps, will continue to decrease in wealthy, developed countries (ie. countries with good ecpm's). This is because users in these countries already have a go-to app for whatever task they are trying to accomplish. The median user in a wealthy, developed country downloads very few new apps nowadays.

    Life is still pretty good for those who dominate a lucrative niche. I'm one of them. Here's some data from FAN (which is only about 1/3 of my ad revenue): http://i.imgur.com/824lBeG.png

    My advice to new developers would be to make a very high quality game and get it published by one of the major publishers. They will be able to pump your app so it's in the Top lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superdev View Post
    This makes me happy knowing that you only ended up with $300k and likely squandered away a significant portion of that money. You're a terrible, terrible human being with a history of scamming, lying, and deception. You're the kind of person who would (if you haven't already) screw over friends and family for money.
    Ouch, that hurts, really. Thank you for you review of my person. I decided to go silence and just observe the forum. btw. really nice stats, honest congratz... ill print your stats and hang on monitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramzixp View Post
    Ouch, that hurts, really. Thank you for you review of my person. I decided to go silence and just observe the forum. btw. really nice stats, honest congratz... ill print your stats and hang on monitor.
    I actually started developing Android apps around the same time you were spamming fake "internet accelerator" apps. I decided to make high quality legitimate apps instead and slowly became the top apps for many search queries. Meanwhile, your fake "internet accelerator" apps and all of your other spam was removed from Google Play. Fast forward 5 years, I'm worth tens of millions, and you are worth less than $300k.

    I think the lesson to be learned here is that it's better to be honest and legitimate.

    I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself. Not in a mirror though, because you're hideous, but internally.

    Also, please delete your fake makingmoneywithandroid accounts such as RadioTurk, Johan, etc. It's really bad you're using these fake shill accounts to trick new users into buying your shit.

    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superdev View Post
    I actually started developing Android apps around the same time you were spamming fake "internet accelerator" apps. I decided to make high quality legitimate apps instead and slowly became the #1 app in several categories. Meanwhile, your fake "internet accelerator" apps and all of your other spam was removed from Google Play. Fast forward 5 years, I'm worth tens of millions, and you are worth less than $300k.

    I think the lesson to be learned here is that it's better to be honest and legitimate.

    I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself. Not in a mirror though, because you're hideous, but internally.

    Also, please delete your fake makingmoneywithandroid accounts such as RadioTurk, Johan, etc. It's really bad you're using these fake shill accounts to trick new users into buying your shit.

    Thank you.
    ...and you are the honest and legitimate to insulting others with some "hideous" and braging that you are worth ten of millions - interesting, I'm interested to if you have brave to tell me the same in real world. I have you deeply in my ass and i'm going to shit out you today. Hovewer, your advice is good, thank you for that and now ill focus on myself only, not forum things or selling solutions. Good bye man

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    Amazing numbers. Congratz. Btw you have really low ecpm..
    Want to start making real money? Read my ebook first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramzixp View Post
    ...and you are the honest and legitimate to insulting others with some "hideous" and braging that you are worth ten of millions - interesting, I'm interested to if you have brave to tell me the same in real world. I have you deeply in my ass and i'm going to shit out you today. Hovewer, your advice is good, thank you for that and now ill focus on myself only, not forum things or selling solutions. Good bye man
    I brought up the numbers because I wanted to make my argument more real. To remind you specifically what you missed out on.

    Yes honesty is good. I honestly think your face is hideous. I don't even know what compelled you to upload your photo. No one wants to see that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdev View Post
    I brought up the numbers because I wanted to make my argument more real. To remind you specifically what you missed out on.

    Yes honesty is good. I honestly think your face is hideous. I don't even know what compelled you to upload your photo. No one wants to see that shit.
    die fckin shit, i hope you get ultimate brain cancer, i tried to be kind but die

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